The population of Massachusetts is half Catholic. Now they're the first significant state to legalize gay marriage. Granted, this is judge-imposed legislation, but I find it shameful that Catholics have succumbed to the Culture of Death to such an extent. What are Catholics doing up there? Or in the rest of the godless north, which is the one of the prime nurturers for the CoD? Seems like many, if not most of them are complicit.
I'm sure Richard is going to comment on this, so maybe he can chime in with some hopeful news.
Welcome to the Gay State!
Last week, the state senate president decided he wasn't going to advance the proposed amendment to ban homosexual marriage until the Court ruled. I suppose he wanted to give the solons a chance to avoid the issue if the court happened to rule against the plaintiffs. Now, they're back on the hook.
That's a little hopeful -- at least they're going to schedule a vote. Do you have any insight as to how likely the bill's passage might be?
I wish; I think they'll have to reconvene the legislature as a "constitutional convention", which probably can't happen all that fast.
I guess I can say is "what do you expect, in the Dutchy of Kennedy?" Did you expect "the neandertals" to be respected at all?
The court didn't order the issuing of marriage liscense, it said that gay's had a right to marry under the Mass. constitution. It ordered the legislature to pass legislation in 180 days, more than enough time to amend the constitution if they are willing to do that.
The usual procedure (maybe the only one) for attempting to amend the state constitution requires that the amendment by approved by the legislature in two sessions; thus it takes two years. Whether this can be worked out isn't clear yet.
It is no surprise that states and provinces of North America that had the highest percentage of Catholics in 1960 are the strongest supporters of the culture of death.
This is the direct result of the demolition of the Catholic subculture carried out by Church leaders in the wake of V2.
Some day some bishop in Boston will wake up and realize that Boston is mission territory.
This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach.
Eric Johnson: "What are Catholics doing up there?"
I guess they're keeping on voting for Edward Kennedy.
What possible spiritual purpose you think it serves by calling those who disagree with you "godless" is beyond me, unless fanning the fire of hate is your end.
Hurray for Massachusetts!
Joe: "What possible spiritual purpose you think it serves by calling those who disagree with you "godless" is beyond me, unless fanning the fire of hate is your end."
How about first explaining to us, Joe, why participating in "watersports" and "rimming" somehow makes a person more "compassionate" and "spiritual."
I'm not saying they're godless because I disagree with them, I'm saying they're godless because they don't think God is particularly important. The northeast has relatively low levels of church attendance and religious belief, second only to the Pacific northwest. It might be more accurate to call them "godful," because they worship many gods: Venus and Mammon, for starters.
What do you mean by "fanning the fire of hate"? Nothing I said was wrong, and there's plenty to criticize when a court essentially writes laws to its own liking, overriding the will of the people.
Eric, although I disagree with your assessment that the situation in Massachusetts is "shameful", I didn't challenge your view. My point is to encourage civility in discourse, something I believe is sorely lacking in your posts. When I hear you call those Catholics, who disagree with you "godless", this indicates a profound disrespect for the spiritual views of your opponents, in my judgment.
Joe, I don't fall for your guilt trip spiel, any more than I fell for Andrew Sullivan's posing. For him, only the advocates of sexual libertarianism were "honest", and in any conflict between him and the Church, the Church was wrong. That attitude simply is not the Catholic way.
While, I'm not aware of the specific argument you're referring to, I agree that Andrew's tone is not infrequently uncivil. To be civil or uncivil is your choice, so there's no need to take a guilt trip. But when you choose disrespectful incivility, there are consequences.
Let's not forget, while 50% of Massachusetts may be Catholic, most of them are similar to the 4 Democratic candidates that are running for President (Mosley-Braun, Kucinich, John Kerry and Wesley Clark).
Sadly, it's not just Massachusetts where things are going bad for Catholics, it's all over. The church has to start getting tough with these politicians that have nothing to do with the teachings of the Catholic church, and infact work totally and completely against them.
And yes, I am stuck in Massachusetts, moving to Vermont soon. I never imagined moving to Vermont would be moving to a state with LESS liberal laws on homosexuals.
You folks are wacked. Human rights has nothing to do with religion. Go ahead and be Catholic, but don't be unpatriotic and try to change this wonderful country into a Theocracy. This is the US of A where we have a separation of church and state which helps protect us from religious zealots. Think about it. Catholics make up about 26% of the US. With Muslims growning in number world wide, do you want them to impress their religious beliefs upon you to the point where you can't believe in Jesus anymore?