White to Sungenis: "The issue is credibility"

CAItanic took another hit this week when Dr. James White, the prominent Reformed Calvinist apologist, turned down CAI's latest challenge to debate the topic of predestination. Among White's various

, my own comments in between):

Never before has he complained about debating Catholic Traditionalists. He debated Gerry Matatics many times after Mr. Matatics embraced Traditional Catholicism in the early 1990s. Mr. Matatics is also favorable to Geocentrism and does his share of critiquing the Zionist movement as well. Yet we have heard no complaints from White.

Two points: First, it is not White who is complaining, but rather his audience (both Catholic and Protestant). As a staunch Calvinist, White would likely consider the debate between orthodox Catholics and radical traditionalists something to be worked out on the Catholic side of the fence. It is not a matter of which side within the Catholic debate holds true, as White rejects both as false. (I should note that White is incorrect in this assumption, however, it is what he believes.) Thus in asserting his Calvinist position, he is trying to reach as wide a Catholic audience as possible. If CAI is no longer accepted among mainstream Catholics who follow the apologetics movement, then any head-to-head with Sungenis on White's part will simply be ignored or dismissed by most Catholics, and subsequently, most Protestants as well. Despite being an out-spoken Reformed Calvinist apologist, even White has enough Roman sensibility to recognize this. In short, when you become the Catholic equivalent to Peter Ruckman, others tune out.

Secondly, I find it interesting that Sungenis publicly claims that Matatics is also favorable to geocentrism. While this wouldn't surprise me, given that much of the modern push for geocentrism among a certain segment of the traditionalist population arises from Solange Hertz, and given that only a couple of years ago Matatics was hosting a weekly Solange Hertz study group in the Scranton area, I wonder whether there is a source to Sungenis' claim vis-a-vis Matatics and geocentrism? I mean, has Matatics commented publicly about geocentrism? If so, where? (Again, I'm not denying the possibility of such references; but if they exist, I would like to know where.)